Board Meeting: July 2nd-9th, 2009

Posted: July 2, 2009 in Xtreme Ice Skating


The Sport of Xtreme Ice Skating
Board of Directors Meeting
Week of: July 2-9, 2009

Current Board Members:
Becky, Ivan, Loop, Max, Paul, Nathan (Chairman)

Statement of Sport:
We’re thrill seekers on the ice. We lead, perform, create, and inspire.

I. Topic of discussion:
     A. Determine Beginner rules. Amend or suggest new rules and talk about current ones.

A. Beginner rules: Please refer to this page.
      Questions for BOARD MEMBERS:
        1. What Beginner rules do you like?
        2. What Beginner rules do you not like?
        3. What Beginner rules would you add?
        4. Make a suggestion about the rules.

The 10 fundamental principles of balance in Xtreme Ice Skating:
Don’t like these fundamental rules? Talk about them.

In Xtreme Ice Skating, there are 10 fundamental principles of balance that are applied to nearly every movement in the sport. If you wish to create a new trick, or are curious about rules to your new trick, please check out the following 10 fundamental rules for the sport of Xtreme Ice Skating.

1. Keeping your head up: In almost every movement, you must keep your head looking up (your head is facing the horizon). Your body will always follow the direction of your head. For example: acrobats do all kinds of amazing flips in the air. They maintain this control by but directing their head in the direction they want to move. Where your head goes, your body follows.

2. Keeping your eyes on the horizon or direction of movement: The direction or point in which you direct your eyes determines where your body will go. As stated in the prior rule, your head will always lead the direction of your body. And the same rule applies to your eyes. If your head is facing the horizon during a jump while looking downward, the direction of your jump will most likely lead downward, even though you keep your straight.

3. Keeping your shoulders and hips in-check: Your hips and shoulders should always act as either one unit working in unisons, or two parts that work in compliment of each other. Another words, if you’re doing the Apolo’s Turn, your hips and shoulders should be together, not rotated. If doing a switch turn (a move where your rotate your body and back again) your hips should work together in opposite of your shoulders. This is done by using your abdominal muscles to rotate your hips all while using your back muscles to rotate your shoulders. It’s very important that proper muscle groups are used when controlling movement. Swinging of any kind without proper use of muscles will lead to uncontrolled balance.

4. Lower back is arched INWARD: For almost every movement in Xtreme Ice Skating, your lower back must be arched inwards. This keeps your posture more erect rather than slouched over. A slouched posture with a lower back that is arched outward, will destroy balance (unless it is purposeful). This is not to say that you **** lean over. There are many movements where one leans over. However, the difference in leaning over is how your lower back is arched. If your lower back is arched outward, your balance will be compromised. If your back is arched inward, your balance will be most appropriate.

5. Chest is pushed out on certain movements: Your chest is pushed outward on most stops and jumps. For footwork, your chest is not applied as stringent. With your chest pushed outward, and re-centers your center of balance over your hips, making it easier to do certain movements.

6. Posture is facing upward rather than bent over: Upward posture will decrease any kind of awkward balance or “falling-over” feeling. A bent-over center of balance will cause most jumps to end in a crash. An upward posture will keep your balance over your hips. Balance over your hips is where balance ought to be.

7. Spotting: This is a way of moving your head. Acrobats and gymnasts do what is called “spotting”. You find a point(s) in space, and keep looking at that point until you’re ready to move onto another point or until cessation. Spotting is used most often in jumps and spins. Spotting controls your head and eyes. If you look at rules one and two, you’ll notice how movement of your head and eyes controls direction of the body. Spotting is a method of controlling that movement and by how much. Spotting is applied in almost every sport, especially for martial arts, figure skating, gymnastics, and acrobatics.

8. For jumps, knees must come up to the hip: This rule is for purpose of aesthetics (how good something looks). You should look like a rollerblader or aggressive skater in the air. Knees that are at a 90 degree angle makes jumps look Xtreme.

9. Legs and feet must conform together on certain movements: The Tuck Stop, the One Footed Stop and other movements require that your legs and feet conform together. This rule is applied for two reasons: the first is that space between your legs or feet will misguide your balance; the second is any space between your legs or feet looks crappy.

10. Rotation and spin is always derived from hips, legs, and shoulders — never swinging arms: This rule is most frequent in jumps, although is applied to footwork and turns as well. Power and rotational energy start at your feet, but gets transferred to your hips. For Xtreme Ice Skating jumps, your shoulders in this regard, should be aligned with your hips, or become aligned at some point in mid-air. This is to make sure that your body rotates as one unit. Rotation will occur around your hips even if your feet or hands are elsewhere. If your shoulders and arms are creating rotation (the most common mistake Xtreme Ice Skaters make when learning jumps in the sport), your rotation will occur around your shoulders and will result in a wild unpredictable manner. Simply put: hips and shoulders control balance and energy in spin (rotation).

  1. Paul says:

    the rules seem reasonable enough, pretty basic just to keep the aesthetics of beginners tricks looking how they should….this would also make beginner skaters that are learning be better skaters before they move on to intermediate anyway which will also help.

    As you’ve stated numerous times keeping the head up is a major part of any trick and its particularly hard to keep the head up on stops so that particular “rule” for doing stops is probably the most essential/useful. It does seem strange calling them rules, really they seem to be more like guidelines for how tricks are best performed for results and aesthetics!

  2. Paul says:

    Didnt really mention in my first post. The rules seem a bit strict and particular but at the end of the day they help students perform the tricks better and improve as skaters. Tricks can still be performed without control but its these rules that will create the control which in turn improves the skaters abilities.

  3. Paul says:

    in general i would say they are ok for example with a tuck stop the stopping leg needs to be bent quite a bit to perform the trick, if the leg was too straight it wouldnt look like the trick even though its technically the same. The only part i have reservations about is arm positioning on stops….it makes sense on the turns but during a stop it is primarily to aid balance?? just my opinion although in general the arms would be roughly in those positions anyway if they were performed correctly/balanced

    • Dan Perceval says:

      The problem with this whole thing is that extreme sports people hate rules. It totally defies who they are and what they believe in. At the same time, rules help keep a sport together. Rules bring conformity and aesthetics to the sport. Rules also bring about the wow-factor if the aesthetics are spot-on. But also, rules make sure skaters are learning correctly. If skaters learn correctly, they will learn faster and the sport will take off faster.

      If you look a figure skating, the figure skating association has strict rules about what should be accepted and what shouldn’t. People are impressed by figure skater’s skills – – which is part of the reason why figure skating is the most watched event in the Olympics. And the idea is emulate what works and ditch what doesn’t. More importantly, for the things that work, we have to cater those ideas to our sport. Just because something works for figure skating, doesn’t mean it will work for Xtreme Ice Skating.

      – So lets approach this matter in logical method:

      1. Declare this statement to be true:
      “Xtreme Ice Skating ice an extreme sport, and it attracts thrill seekers who thrive on adrenaline and doing big tricks.”

      2. ALSO declare this statement to be true:
      “Extreme sports entertainment sell well because of the wow-factor and the notion that people are both cynical and want to see an inclination for injury or paralysis.”

      IF the wow factor is needed, THAN what rules are absolutely needed for aesthetic purposes?

      IF participants are to learn at a fast rate, THAN what rules are absolutely need to speed up the rate of learning?

      IF rules are a turn-off AND rules are needed, THAN what rules turn people away from the sport?

      IF rules are a turn-off AND rules are needed, THAN what rules actually attract people even more to the sport?

  4. Paul says:

    I see what your getting at but all extreme sports have rules however they have probably become so accepted that they are almost unwritten rules. For example in skateboarding a kickflip is an ollie were the board flips over one full rotation and then the skater lands back on the board. Anything else isnt a kickflip!! The same principles can be used for extreme ice skating tricks. A trick isnt a trick without a specific way to perform it.

    Anyway this is my last post for a week as i’m going on holiday so i presume there will be plenty more feedback on this thread upon my return and not just my views haha!!

  5. Max says:

    I do believe the rules are in some ways key to the sport of Xtreme Ice Skating, yes it could ruin the sport due to many people not participating as they “can’t be bothered” to get it perfect.. But the rules, i believe, should not be called “rules” as such – more guidelines to achieve the ‘perfect’ trick/ move.

    For example; the hawk turn, i have done some practise on this and others (non skaters) actually prefer without both hands being at a 180 degree angle – with just one hand pointing out and scraping the surface of the ice. So i think maybe we should change the names from “rules” to more guidelines, as in once they have achieved these guidelines you can vary it and make the trick your own 🙂


    • Dan Perceval says:

      It appears that the actual perception in the use of the word “rules” is more of a turn-off than the word “guidelines”, and guidelines should be used as proper terminology when referring to rules instead.

      PAUL motioned that: he has “reservations on arm positions on stops”… “it makes sense on the turns but during a stop it is primarily to aid balance”.

      PAUL motioned that: “It does seem strange calling them rules, really they seem to be more like guidelines for how tricks are best performed for results and aesthetics.”

      MAX motioned that: ” we should change the names from “rules” to more guidelines, as in once they have achieved these guidelines you can vary it and make the trick your own

      MAX motioned that: “the Hawk Turn is preferred that just one hand be pointing out and scraping the surface of the ice” rather than two hands at a 180 degree angle.

      IVAN motioned that: in regards to arm positioning, “why don’t we leave that to the skaters? i believe arm positioning can be added to wow factor. Its up to the skater.”

      Proposed AMENDMENTS:
      1. When applying the law of rules, the use of the word “rule” should be amended and changed to “guidelines”.

      Proposed POLICY:
      Guidelines ought to be enacted as a tool for learning balance and in applying aesthetics.

      * Next week, there will be committee vote to either pass these proposed motions, or to fail them. Additional motions may be proposed. Everyone will be informed when a vote is in session.

  6. Max says:

    Looking good 🙂

  7. ivan says:

    I agree about the use of “guidelines” rather than “rule”.

    About arm positioning, yes its for balance. but maybe for more freestyle, why don’t we leave that to the skaters? i believe arm positioning can be added to wow factor. Its up to the skater.

  8. Dan Perceval says:

    There will be a vote tomorrow on proposed policies, amendments, and motions.

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