Board Meeting – “Learn to Xtreme Ice Skate program”

Posted: October 24, 2009 in business, Sport, XIS Board of Directors
The Sport of Xtreme Ice Skating
Board of Directors Meeting
Month of:November, 2009


Board Members:
Dan P.
Ivan D.
Loop B.
Paul G.
Becky S.
Max C.
Nathan W. (Chairman)
Michael P.
Christopher C.
Jenya D.
Mark G.
Daniel S.
Michael S.
Kevin H.

Mission Statement:
To motivate and involve people into the eye-popping sport of Xtreme Ice Skating. We, the Board of Directors (developers and leaders of our sport), serve the function to work together to provide culture, organization, structure, and business within our sport.

I. Topic of discussion:
     A. Create a “learn to Xtreme Ice Skate” program.

  1. Dan Perceval says:

    For those who can already skate:

    At first I thought that Xtreme Ice Skaters should go through the different testing levels in exact order when learning from XIS Instructors, but now it seems like this is not the best method. The problem with this process is that it directly conflicts with extreme sports culture, namely our sport’s culture. Extreme sports culture is comprised of freedom, individuality, and creativity. The culture must also have an adrenaline induced activity that coincides with the prior mentioned cultural traits with the intention to do tricks. This was realized when most Xtreme Ice Skaters perceived the rules of our sport to be too strict. Since the rules have changed now, the noose seems to be loosened, and skaters are reacting to our sport in a more positive way. I still think we have a way to go though. Theoretically, Xtreme Ice Skating should be similar to how most extreme sports are constructed: with no “proclaimed” rules. However, once a sport traverses into the area of instruction and competition, than rules and structure must be met more seriously. A skateboarder would be pretty pissed if an “Ollie” was called a kickflip, and a kickflip was called a nose grind. So therefore, rules must exist to some degree to ensure integrity of our sport. With that said, I think the way in which Xtreme Ice Skaters should learn our sport is in a way that applies integrity, good business practice, and respect for both freedom and individual expression in our sport.

    The main approach to forming Xtreme Ice Skating instructional programs will be: how much freedom can skaters have in when it comes to skaters learning only what they want to learn? Are there dangers and pitfalls here that can undermine our sport? I think there are. If a “Freestyler” wants to learn our sport and requests to learn tricks that are not Xtreme, the sport can evolve into freestyle and the “extreme” will be stripped away from us. Also, the general core values of our sport will be changed — which also changes the entire business model for the sport. So I think the delicate balance between freedom and structure must be attained in both teaching and instruction. I think it’s appropriate that someone inquiring to learn our sport can not request to learn a trick that hasn’t been sanctioned by the Board of Directors (the governing body of our sport) which authorizes movements to be used in both instruction and testing. This is where you guys have power. Anyone can join the board and affect policy in the sport (creating new tricks), so long as the new tricks are voted on in a majority rule. So I think there’s a give and take in regards to freedom and structure, and we must balance these two principles carefully.

    1 – When first entering the sport, Xtreme Ice Skaters can request to learn any trick that their instructor has been certified to teach.
    2- Tricks that are not approved by the Board Of Directors (those that are not found in the testing levels, can not be taught unless there’s a Board vote to approve such a trick(s).
    3- All Xtreme Ice Skaters must wear full protective equipment during instruction as well the instructor. (Helmet, wrist guards, elbow pads, and knee pads).
    4- If Xtreme Ice Skaters are learning jumps, than they must also be required to wear hip protection. This policy however is prejudiced and may end up being that all Xtreme Ice Skaters taking instruction will have to wear hip protection anyway regardless if they’re learning jumps or not.
    5- Pamphlets describing the sport and it’s rules must be given to all students prior to lesson.
    6- Parents must sign a waiver or release form. Anyone 18 years or over will sign the waiver themselves.
    7- The rink must get a portion of the profits from every class, whether private or group, and the rink must be paid either before or after the class.

  2. Dan Perceval says:

    Just quickly look at ISI’s basic skating program to see how they do it:

    We need to apply the 10 fundamental principles of Xtreme Ice Skating balance in the “learn to Xtreme Ice Skate” program:

    1 – determine basic skills to be learned.
    2 – apply fundamental principles of Xtreme Ice Skating balance.

    Learn to Xtreme Ice Skate Program:

    I. Prior to lesson:
    a. make sure student’s skates are tied properly.
    b. make sure student’s protective equipment is on and on properly.
    b. brief student on what they will be learning.
    c. assure confidence.

    II. Lesson plan:
    Each individual lesson could take many weeks or just one day depending on the person.

    lesson 1:
    How to fall properly. Forward stroking: keep knees bent, keep arms out, stick butt out.

    lesson 2:
    Forward stroking: keep head up, and make sure lower back is arched inward. Reinforce principles learned in lesson 1.

    lesson 3:
    Add speed to forward stroking. Challenge the student at an ever increasing rate.

    lesson 4:
    Forward cross overs.

    lesson 5:
    Basic two footed turns: student learns the Hawk Turn but without speed or aggressive edge.

    lesson 6:
    Backwards skating in a straight line.

    lesson 7:
    Backwards crossovers. Student learns that balance is derived from the hips. Student learns to shift hips on an angle to adjust balance.

    lesson 8:
    Shifting from forwards to backwards (done slowly).

    – – Graduate from the “learn to Xtreme Ice Skate program- –

    After the student finishes the “learn to Xtreme Ice Skate” program, they will be able to move onto the testing levels, i.e. Beginner level-1, Intermediary level 1,2,3,4, etc.. The student can request to learn any trick they want so long as the instructor is certified to teach that trick (which means that the instructor has passed the test which encompasses the trick wanting to be learned).

    What do you guys think? Add your ideas, or critique my own.

  3. ivan says:

    about lacing, everyone has their own method and what they think is comfy for them.. what do you think about it? Myself, i lacing it tightly.

    And after the student finishes the learn program, it would be nice if they learn tricks step by step, such as one footed stop and then T stop.. So its like basic first then going trough more advance tricks.

    • Dan Perceval says:

      Well, I think for students who are taking the “learn to Xtreme Ice Skate” course should be taught how to tie their laces. Believe it or not, most don’t know how to tie their laces properly. They never make them tight enough. They need to be taught about wax laces and non wax laces, and about what a lace hook is because lace hooks are really helpful. These students just really need to know the basic stuff, and they can tie their skates however they want. But beginners never have enough ankle support because they tie too loose.

      Do you think they ought to learn step by step? Or should they be given the option to learn whatever they want after they’ve completed the “learn to skate” program? If you read my introduction, I write about why we may have to let skaters have a choice to learn whatever they want to learn. Or do you think this might not be a good idea?

  4. ivan says:

    I do use lace hook. Really helpful on tightening my skates.

    About using step by step, i think its a helpful method because as skaters learn basic moves, they build their courage too. But step by step. I find it difficult for skaters to learn a lot of things without basic moves or elements as you showed us on your videos.

    In my experiences, i always practice step by step (thx to your guidence ^^). Such as stops and jumps. But, trouble may come when i tried fakie 180 for the first time before jump on the spot or just forward jump. I didn’t hv any courage to do it.

    Just like my friends.. They always asks me for trick like frontside stop. but first i told them to try one footed stop first and they failed. So i forced em to practice it and in 3 weeks, they can do frontside stop even though still not perfect.

    These thing need a lot of courage that can’t be developed quickly..And about the skater’s progress yes, its all depends on their spirit.

    Oh by the way, these sport is best to be introduced to smaller kids i think. I don’t know if it’s same with all, but in here, it’s like that. Older people tends to scared more of falling than younger people especially kids. There is a kid that really loves these extreme stuffs. He can even do triple jump stops.. i can’t do that. T.T and he’s only 12..

    • Dan Perceval says:

      My question to you is: do we force people to learn step-by-step, or do we give them a choice to learn however they want? Should that option be given?

      This is not done in figure skating. You have to learn step by step. However, figure skating is not an extreme sport.

  5. ivan says:

    Step by step only for the basics. After that, they can learn anything they want (because they already have the basics). That’s my point ^^ So it’s not totally directing them or just release them.

    • Dan Perceval says:

      What level would that be?

    • Dan Perceval says:

      It looks like to me Beginner and Intermediary level-1 should be the levels required to be completed in order, that is to say, skaters will not be disheartened by having to follow more rules. I don’t know how skaters are going to react but when I taught in 2006, my students were okay for a while, but they also wanted to input their own ideas into their lesson as well.

  6. Dan Perceval says:

    Once a student passes a certain level, what should be given to them as a reward? I think in figure skating, skaters go through competition in order to recognize that they’ve completed a certain skill level – and they’ll receive a trophy for having done so. For our sport, maybe students can receive a printed certificate as well as having their name placed on the official website for completing such an accomplishment. Ideally, they should be placed in a newsletter or magazine, but we do not have either of those right now. But even more so, these students should receive a free product or service, or be offered something that they want or need in the sport.

  7. Dan Perceval says:

    Does anyone have any input to this program? We need to finish this so I can type up the program. The program will be a PDF and a printable pamphlet most likely.

  8. Dan Perceval says:

    Starting next week, I’m going to finally get this “learn to Xtreme Ice Skate” program wrapped up.

  9. Paul says:

    I think obviously that levels should be taught in order rather than a complete saying oh i want to learn all the jumps or something silly!

    However I do think that there should be some freedom within the levels so that for example if they progressed onto intermediate they may want to focus on the new stops initially. People/students need to accept that they aren’t good enough for certain tricks until they progress to that level it would be the same if they were ‘self taught’ (you can’t just start skating and decide you want to jump within 6 weeks for example) so to me there is no difference.

    I think that once the initial program is complete students should just be shown various tricks within a level. When learning any sport a student would not focus solely on one move and would practice a variety regardless of their level/ability. When I used to do gymnastics I wasn’t given the opportunity to choose a move I wanted to be able to do it was just a case of practicing lots of different moves that the instructor felt relevant for a person’s ability. We were given freedom within the lessons to choose what we practiced but only to the extent of things we have already been shown!

    • Dan Perceval says:

      Thank you for your analysis.

    • Dan Perceval says:

      Skaters should be able to choose what tricks they want to learn. However, they need to learn in an order which preserves the integrity and quality of the skater’s skill and Xtreme style.


      All skaters must start at this skill level. Skater can choose any trick to learn in this category.

      Intermediary level-1:
      Skater must progress to this level after testing and completing beginner level. Skater chooses to learn any trick in this skill level.

      Intermediary level-2:
      Skater must progress to this level after testing and completing Intermediary level-1. Skater chooses to learn any trick in this skill level.

      etc… and etc..

  10. Paul says:

    As well as all my other comments that is sort of what I meant haha! From experience I have from learning others sports in a lesson type environment I have always found that the instructor is in control and would create a lesson plan each week to do drills etc to improve various moves etc as well as practising specific tricks/moves.

  11. Could not find a suitable section so I written here, how to become a moderator for your forum, that need for this?

  12. Paul says:

    I think Dan is doing a fine job moderating the forum lol! Also i think if he were to ask someone else to moderate the forum he’d want someone would could type gramatically correct lol!

  13. Max C says:

    Yes – looks really nice 🙂

  14. ivan says:

    yes too..

  15. Lenny F. says:

    I think what you have written down its perfect freedom of expresion becuase its an extreme sport allowing allowing all of us the chances to finish what we want (catorgories).

    My friend and I started last year with you back in Bahrain, where I am still at. At the present moment I am depolyed to Afghanistan for a 6 month tour. I would love to be having Ice Skating here, but we can’t. So thanks as well for the chance to be a member and a board member as well.

    Lenny F.

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