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Dan, in fakie, do we use the torque from shoulder too? i noticed in your video that you kinda spin your arms and bring em together, and also you got more push from scooping the ice.. is that true? I ask a senior figure skater about jumps and she told me about the arms thing..
Btw, l like all of your jumps on the website. its WOW!
By the way, don’t torque your shoulders or you’ll end up sideways in the air (unless you really really know what you’re doing). I had an accident like this.. so lets just leave it at that 🙂
So only throw our arms? sometime i can feel my shoulders torque a bit because of it..
You have to torque your hips and feet, and throw arms and pull arms in, in the air. You also have to whip your head. Please refer to my reply below.
Create torque from hips and feet. Throw arms out (in a controlled way) while taking off, and bring them into your chest or abdomen to create spin. But the torque from the hips and feet will create a great amount of spin initially. The reason why you scoop the ice is because you’re converting speed into upward energy. Scooping the ice is a process that makes the skater push hard against the ice (almost like a stop), and the ice pushes just as hard back against you, and if you jump simultaneously, pushing back and equally as hard against the ice (Newtons Laws), you’ll therefore create incredible amount of upward energy.
“..the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its current velocity.”
If you add more velocity (forward speed) and convert that forward speed INTO the ice and push equally as hard BACK into the ice, the extra kinetic energy created from forward velocity will travel back up into your body. This is why figure skaters can jump so high with one leg. It’s called an edge jump or a toe jump.
If you are interested in learning about all of this:
Newton’s Second law of Motion:
“The relationship between an object’s mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector.”
“This is the most powerful of Newton’s three Laws, because it allows quantitative calculations of dynamics: how do velocities change when forces are applied. ”
You’re applying a downward force when you scoop the ice.
Source for information:
Just wanna ask about spin direction.. after few hours of practicing off ice, i find it hard to keep my balance with left rotation..im not looking down, but still landed on my knee..
Right rotation, i’m doin it greatly. Do you hv such problem like this?
Ivan, yes I have the same exact problem especially with the Air Flow. My natural spin is to my right. My advice to you is to practice jumping to your right and stick with that direction. The mistake I made was that I was trying to spin my unnatural direction all these years and never really got very far. Now I’m learning both 😦
yesterday i did a bomb air 360 umm but i think it’s same like frontward 360? ^^ However, its still hard to land correctly on air flow.. do you still practicing this move? Jump tricks always been the most challenging.. Still the problem with the skaters, is the fear itself.. ( managed to make my friend jump a bit ^^)
Bob Air has been renamed to FrontSide Air. Sorry for not updating this on the website. We have not used the word “Frontward”. I know — it’s confusing: “frontside & frontward”.
I was practicing the Air Flow tonight and will tomorrow night. I am now only doing them to my right side and will probably ditch going to the left. During my practice, I was working on snapping my legs and knees up real fast rather than just bringing them up normal speed. I was also concentrating hard on shifting my hips to the right immediately after take-off.
Jumps are always the hardest and always will be. I have to admit though, I can’t spin very well in place. Then again, I hate spins. They bore me 😦
Hi Dan. I wanna ask about flare jump. Do we have to get really low on ice before take off? Is there any rules about how many rotation for each jump tricks?
Yes, get low. In regards to rotation, I always try for 1 and a half, even though I never get it. If you can get 1 and a half, it would look awesome.
Do you hv some problem during jumps? I recently practice side jump, dime stop, or any kind of jumps that ended with hard brake/ stop. But after 7 to 10 jumps like that, i feel so much pain on my feet, my back and on my head. Got any advice?
Refrain from doing jumps that cause high impact. I stick to mainly spinning jumps. Occasionally, I will do side jumps and scissor jumps, but that’s only once in a while or every few months or so.
hi guys i was wondering with the “dime stop” what are the chances of me going head over and falling ?
If you lean back, you shouldn’t have a problem. I never had that sensation before.
me n my friends got a new camera and recorded a couple videos…im the guy with green hoodie..
sorry if it just one trick. after we recorded it, the staff warned us not to make video..i already learn flare jump after several try n’ hard fall… too bad i cant recorded it..
Oh, Dan, do you know how to make a wrist guard? its so hard to buy skating equipment and its protective gears in jakarta..im still find a shop but if i can make it on my own, that would be great…i almost dislocated my wrist bones when practicing flare jump. damn hurt like hell…
Sorry to hear about your injury. Never jump without wrist guards. Wrist guards are rollerblading equipment and you will find them in a skating shop or a place that sells skateboards perhaps. If you can’t find them locally, you will have to purchase them over the internet and have them shipped. If this is the case, I will help you look for a place that sells them cheap online.
It looks like you’re holding back in those videos.
yeah.. i only wear knee pad and elbow pad..no wrist guard..that’s why..i tried to jump higher and also raised my speed, but landed with my arms on the first contact..so i reduced my speed..so i’ll skate again after i got my wrist guard…oh, about wrist guard, i’ll look for em in singapore. A lot of inline skaters there and inline proshop.. oh, about hip protector, what kind of gear that you use? is it roller girdle?
Yes, roller hockey girdle. This is what I have:
But make sure you can take the pads out. You won’t need all of them. You only need the side pads, the hip, and the tail bone. A lot of girdles, you can’t detach the pads.
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